Re: Routed over this thing?

From: Eric Kagan <ekagan_at_axsne.com>
Date: Wed Oct 02 2002 - 23:01:02 EDT

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Steinhart" <mslist@opcenter.net>
To: <verizonisp@westnet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: Routed over this thing?

> Eric,
>
> Update to information from Todd
>
> Yes we are "one of us poor bastards in the East that Verizon doesn't have
a properly
> configured network for and are getting the RFC1483 bridged Encaps through
the
> Redbacks". We setup a user with a Broadmax HSA300A Modem/Bridge/Rputer.
Got
> it to work fine in Bridged RFC 1483 mode no problem, also got it to work
in Bridged
> llcbridged RFC1483 mode using its internal NAT router. The problem is that
we are
> attempting to get it working as a router in Routed llcbridged RFC1483,
witch
> according to the manual will work (I just got a call from the manufacture
tech rep and
> he told me that in router mode it will only work as a NAT router :( but it
will not work
> with NAT disabled, to bad)

Michael,

We have had no success with RFC 1483 Routed mode on any of the routers I
have tested either. Maybe the CPE can handle it, but in our case we need to
match the Verizon RFC1483 Bridging protocol we are being passed. You should
be able to route the subnet (listed below) in RFC1483 Bridge IP LLC mode the
same way. This is what we do. (A routed bridge - if that's not an oxymoron
I'm not sure what is)

Eric

>
> I have 3 other routers to try
> ZyXEL Prestige 645 ADSL Router
> DSLW-ECA100 Ethernet Route
> Aztech ADSL Ethernet and USB Combo Router DSL906EU
>
>
> The setup we used to attempt routing is:
>
> On the Cisco I setup a bridge to the PVC
> ip route 66.250.201.41 255.255.255.255 ATM1/1/0.320
>
> and router a /29 to it
> ip route 66.250.202.0 255.255.255.248 66.250.201.41
>
> On the 300A
> lan: 66.250.202.1
> mask: 255.255.255.248
> wan: 66.250.201.41
> mask: 255.255.255.0
> gateway: 66.250.201.1
>
> giving the end user 66.250.202.2 - 6 to use
>
>
>
> On 2 Oct 2002 at 20:39, Eric Kagan wrote:
>
> > Todd, Assuming you are talking about a Verizon ATM DS3 circuit for DSL
and
> > are using a Cisco router with ATM DS3 card to terminate I can shed some
> > light. Ideally you want to be running RBE on the cisco (Routed, Bridged
> > Encapsulation - hence allowing you to "route" over a "Bridge). We
originally ran
> > that other shitty configuration (IRB - yuk!) but quickly blew it away
and
> > converted to RBE. Since you talk about not having a real PVC for the
customer I
> > will assume you are one of us poor bastards in the East that Verizon
doesn't
> > have a properly configured network for and are getting the RFC1483
bridged
> > Encaps through the Redbacks. Basically, to save you a lot of time and
> > aggravation, you need to use a router for the CPE (not a modem or
bridge) that
> > supports RFC1483 Bridging (LLC). We have successfully used the Netopa
6100,
> > 4541, Speedstream 5621, Caymen 3220 and Great Speed GS1530. We are
currently
> > doing this now with our customers. We basically give them a static WAN
IP and
> > they can either NAT that or we can route a subnet to them. It works
like a
> > charm. Hope this info helps. Let me know if you have any other
questions. If I
> > missed the boat on this one for you let me know. (Maybe I helped out
someone
> > else as well).
> >
> > As a side note we have unsuccessfully tried the following CPE: (Lucent
> > Cellpipe, Cisco 673/675, - there might be more but I have blocked them
out of
> > my head). I would be interested in knowing what other ISP's are using
for CPE
> > so we could maybe create our own supported CPE config list.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Eric
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Todd Troutman" <t@snoofer.com>
> > To: <verizonisp@westnet.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 4:24 PM
> > Subject: Routed over this thing?
> >
> >
> > > First of all thanks much to everyone, especially Chris, for the
> > > help over the last few weeks, it's very much appreciated.
> > >
> > > This might be impossible but I thought I'd check with you guys and see
> > > if anyone had any ideas. So has anyone tried to offer a customer
> > > a block of IP's in a sort of pseudo routed type of a configuration?
> > > That is, without having a real PVC to the CPE but still offering a /28
> > > or /29? So that it at least looks to the customer like they've got
> > > some sort of real routed solution?
> > >
> > > This is a brain buster, Mike and I have been messing about with it
> > > today but haven't gotten it to work. Maybe it can't work?
> > > Thoughts?
> > >
> > > Todd
> > >
> > >
> > > Recent archives of the list can be found at
> > > http://www.westnet.com/verizonisp/
> > > Send 'unsubscribe' in the body to verizonisp-request@westnet.com to
leave.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Recent archives of the list can be found at
> > http://www.westnet.com/verizonisp/
> > Send 'unsubscribe' in the body to verizonisp-request@westnet.com to
leave.
>
> ______________________________________________________________
>
> Michael Steinhart OPCenter
> mike@opcenter.net PMH Network Services, Inc.
> http://www.opcenter.net 284 Ackerman Ave
> Emerson, NJ 07630
>
>
> Recent archives of the list can be found at
> http://www.westnet.com/verizonisp/
> Send 'unsubscribe' in the body to verizonisp-request@westnet.com to leave.
>

Recent archives of the list can be found at
http://www.westnet.com/verizonisp/
Send 'unsubscribe' in the body to verizonisp-request@westnet.com to leave.
Received on Wed Oct 2 23:02:21 2002

This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.8 : Wed Aug 27 2003 - 13:27:16 EDT